8 replies to this topic

[mnementh]

Hi guys,
I've just had 4 "bottles" of toner carbon given to me for disposal, each having 750g of material. The "ingredients" consist of 98%+ carbon and a few other binder chemicals, none of whic are particularlly reactive (under normal circumstances).

The material is incredibly fine and I would say it equates to airfloat carbon.

Has anyone tried toner carbon in a composition? If so, what do you think opf it?

Sandy

[paul]

I think for blackpowder it is quite useless. It?s too pure carbon. Lampblack does not work, too.

And I think this stuff is highly static (electrically) so it could be quite dangerous to use it.

greets,

paul

[Arthur Brown]

Toners are a closely guarded commercially secret mixture. there will be some agents in there to assist their controlled adhesion to paper. Try the product, it may have uses. try it in various compounds as it may according to its particle agglomerate size be coarse enough to have visible effect.

[alany]

I tried it with Toshiba toner once, claiming to be "largely carbon black". The resulting composition just stank really bad as it slowly burnt forming a pool of molten dross. It didn't work in senko hanabi at all, and I suspect was less than 80% carbon by mass.

[adamw]

Regarding the static in Toner - it is not the static action of the toner its self that contributes to the way the printer works - just that the toner is attracted to the charged drum of the printer by the working of the printer it's self. Also, with it being mainly carbon, this should be safe as it will be conductive and dissipate the charge. Other widely used chemicals in pyro use are attracted by static. A certain chlorine donor practically jumps about inside the bag through the action of static.

[Arthur Brown]

The only way to know is to try it!

Make a trial batch. Take a formula, miss out the carbon then halve it add known carbon to one half, toner carbon to the other half, then test fire both starting with TINY amounts milligrammes to start then any surprises will be small ones!

Much of pyro is dependant on particle formation and surface area thats why methods matter as much as formulae, new product - new properties so some controlled testing is in order.

[a_bab]

The toner contains lots of organic resines, that will stick to the paper when heated. Just think what it smells like when you print alot with a laser printer.

I don't frankly believe that you can use the toner as a carbon replacement; not in the pyro field at least. God knows what other chems are there, prone to give unknown, maybe dangerous reactions. Besides, the carbon must be of the graphite kind (like the carbon black), not very usefull really.

[BurlHorse]

Hi guys,
I've just had 4 "bottles" of toner carbon given to me for disposal, each having 750g of material. The "ingredients" consist of 98%+ carbon and a few other binder chemicals, none of whic are particularlly reactive (under normal circumstances).

The material is incredibly fine and I would say it equates to airfloat carbon.

Has anyone tried toner carbon in a composition? If so, what do you think opf it?

Sandy

Toner works Great as a substitute for Cremora or calves milk replacer in Cremora Pots. We Just tested some a week ago as an alternative to 600 dollars worth of Calves milk replacer for 2 55 gallon Cremora Pots that we'll be doing in the october shoot and it worked great in a 5 gallon size bucket. Just FYI.....

Best Regards,

Stay Green,

Bear

[curious aardvark]

55 GALLONS !

Now I'm both intrigued and scared :-)

Why are you doing this ? (apart from the obvious: 'because it's fun !')

That's a fair amount of money to expend on a one shot mega fireball.

Also curious as to why you use cremora and not smaller amounts of petrol ?

Edited by curious aardvark, 31 August 2005 - 12:25 PM.