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#1 pyromania

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 07:20 PM

Just wondering what pay-pals status is on someone one day ordering 10meters of fuse and then the next day ordering 500gs of aluminium powder and ammonium perc? Would they twig and inform the law or not blink a eyelid?

#2 delta_echo

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 04:10 AM

Those amounts are hardly worth noticing, much less responding to. Now, if it were 1000 m of fuse, and 10 kg of materials, someone might get suspicious.

#3 Andrew

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 12:26 PM

That's even if anyone at Paypal would even know anything about it.

My experience of eBay, the company that owns Paypal, is a brick wall of stupidity, they do not employ many people with a bit of intellect to their name. I seriously do not think they would notice. As long as they get their 12% of your money they are happy.

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 12:49 PM

Just wondering what pay-pals status is on someone one day ordering 10meters of fuse and then the next day ordering 500gs of aluminium powder and ammonium perc? Would they twig and inform the law or not blink a eyelid?

I doubt it, there is a lot of security on PayPal because of banking fraud, tax evasion and money laundering.

a I can't imagine "they" would try to pick up on every transaction; simply the amount of people online means a vast amount of data, millions of transactions. Yes, "they" can check purchases using keyword and context filters, modern governments can pretty much look at what they like.

b Many transactions might not even record the goods specifically.

c The amounts mentioned are very small.

d T3rr0rist5 don't usually "light the blue touchpaper" and ebay is a bit obvious. :P


#5 r.burgy

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 05:15 PM

ive ordered many chemicals from ebay and paid with paypal.up to 10 pounds of kno3.havent had a knock on the door yet.

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 05:44 PM

If you want something more interesting, go on garden direct, look at a bag of KNO3 and see the "customers who bought this also bought:" section.

I reckon more pyros than gardeners use GD!

#7 EnigmaticBiker

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 06:07 PM

If you want something more interesting, go on garden direct, look at a bag of KNO3 and see the "customers who bought this also bought:" section.

I reckon more pyros than gardeners use GD!

Yes! it's such a giveaway. :lol:

If I owned GD I'd be tempted to list Perc (as weedkiller) just to see how many pyros view it! :P



#8 Stuart

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 09:05 PM

To be honest, I think you could order 1,000kg of Potassium Nitrate through Paypal, and they would be none the wiser. I should think its very unlikely that Paypal are looking at what their system is being used to pay for, they are more likely looking for 'habits' or patterns which could suggest money laundering or fraud.

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 01:41 PM

If you want something more interesting, go on garden direct, look at a bag of KNO3 and see the "customers who bought this also bought:" section.

I reckon more pyros than gardeners use GD!



What is scary though, is that more people buy flowers of sulphur than rhombic sulphur, more "less aware" pyros than gardeners I think!

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 08:11 PM

What is scary though, is that more people buy flowers of sulphur than rhombic sulphur, more "less aware" pyros than gardeners I think!


I think the main reasons flowers of sulphur is used is that it's already powdered, and rhombic isn't. also, BP can still be made "safely" with flowers of sulphur if you wash and neutralise it. it's slower, but i used to use it.

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Posted 19 May 2006 - 01:00 PM

Ultra pure, neutral sulfur flower is ideal, but by no means required for BP variants. For BP any old sulfur will work and is quite safe unless it is contaminated with something dangerous. Sulfur acidity is only an issue with chlorates and to a limted extent perchlorates and metals.

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 08:25 AM

Ultra pure, neutral sulfur flower is ideal, but by no means required for BP variants. For BP any old sulfur will work and is quite safe unless it is contaminated with something dangerous. Sulfur acidity is only an issue with chlorates and to a limted extent perchlorates and metals.


I'm glad this conversation has started because I have been meaning to ask this question for a while, I have 400grams plus of 99.9% elemental, agricultural sulphur. It seems to work ok but doesn't have much of the grand smell of sulphur after being burned :( . Now I was given 50 grams of some other sulphur from a friend and it seems to work allot better giving more flame and the lovely smell of BP thing is, its only 80% stuff. can anyone help with this cause i'm stumped. :)

#13 EnigmaticBiker

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 01:23 PM

I'm glad this conversation has started because I have been meaning to ask this question for a while, I have 400grams plus of 99.9% elemental, agricultural sulphur. It seems to work ok but doesn't have much of the grand smell of sulphur after being burned :( . Now I was given 50 grams of some other sulphur from a friend and it seems to work allot better giving more flame and the lovely smell of BP thing is, its only 80% stuff. can anyone help with this cause i'm stumped. :)

:blink: I'd expect it to work the other way round.

That seems odd, I assume you've got the purity figures from the original packs?

If not, it might be worth running some other tests.








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