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[lew]

Having never ordered any chemicals (only ball mill equipment) from inoxia i cant comment on how they are packaged but do know that they use a courier,so they must use the same courier to deliver there chemicals,and so must complie to the requirements of transporting hazards materials.I will say though that i think that inoxia is a good/legit source for pyro supplies.

Hobbychem do use royal mail to deliver there goods (i was surprised,i was accepting a courier) but the packaging did list hazards.I aswell dont like the fact that they are selling barium nitrate freely for anyone to buy
It would be nice to see an age verification like inoxia,i will feel more comfatable ordering from them(plus a courier)
regards
dean

I think they are using some sort of age verification now. When my friend ordered recently, he had to send a high quality scan of his passport to prove his age. Having checked the website today, their site seems to have been changed to not include barium nitrate, so it looks like they are taking steves safety concerns seriously.

I suppose in an ideal world, all suppliers would use hazmat couriers, but then I guess the cost would be passed onto the customer.

Im sure other members will correct me if im wrong, but im quite positive that the last order I placed with Inoxia (KClO4) was delivered by royal mail.

TBH, I dont think its really that dangerous to send a couple of hundred grams of KNO3 through the post if it is well packed. Im sure it may well stretch a few regulations, but there are hundreds of people selling worse stuff on ebay through the post, and I know other places I have bought from like 'UK visco' and 'extreme survival' also use royal mail for fuse which is probably worse as it is a complete pyrotechnic device.

[MMMMMM Pyro]

I think they are using some sort of age verification now. When my friend ordered recently, he had to send a high quality scan of his passport to prove his age. Having checked the website today, their site seems to have been changed to not include barium nitrate, so it looks like they are taking steves safety concerns seriously.

I suppose in an ideal world, all suppliers would use hazmat couriers, but then I guess the cost would be passed onto the customer.

Im sure other members will correct me if im wrong, but im quite positive that the last order I placed with Inoxia (KClO4) was delivered by royal mail.

TBH, I dont think its really that dangerous to send a couple of hundred grams of KNO3 through the post if it is well packed. Im sure it may well stretch a few regulations, but there are hundreds of people selling worse stuff on ebay through the post, and I know other places I have bought from like 'UK visco' and 'extreme survival' also use royal mail for fuse which is probably worse as it is a complete pyrotechnic device.

Yes, hobbychem's site has been updated and now doesn't include Ba(NO3)2.
No, as far as my experience goes with Inoxia, everything has come via royal mail...
You're definately right, only a couple of weeks ago I recieved 250g. of Ba(NO3)2 from a seller on Ebay in a plastic bag that has no MSDS or hazard warnings.
At the end of the day, specialist couriers would be prefered but to be honest, with those sorts of P and P costs, chances are hobby pyrotechnics would probably become obselite.

Regards,

Mike

[portfire]

Yes, i'v just checked the site and they've made changes,i was on the site earlier on and there's a slightly new look now,aswell as removing some of the more hazards chemicals.

It,s a shame that we dont live in a ideal world, i'd feel alot more comfatable knowing that things i order are sent the right way but as the saying go's .....needs must

Also (i may be completely wrong here) i dont think visco is classified as a pyrotechnic device,it's classed 1.4s..( A substance or article which presents no significant hazard; explosion effects are largely confined to the package and no projection or fragments of appreciable size or range are to be expected....)
surely transporting something like german dark Al,ba(no3)2 would be alot more dangerous than something that basiclly just fizzes


regards
dean

Edited by portfire, 04 March 2007 - 02:29 PM.

[BrightStar]

From experience, Inoxia are very good in their packaging and delivery and highly recommended. Whilst it is imperative to be aware of the dangers to children, it must be assumed that if you sign for the stuff, you can lock it up safely. The main problem with plastic bag packaging is that it encourages you to raise dust by shaking and pouring the contents. Not healthy, but you should know better...

Re Hobbychem, the UKPS forum seems to have done the right thing in protecting the greater public who might accidentally order up Barium Nitrate without the ability to handle it safely. It's a bit of a loss to UK forum members who know what it is, handle it safely, and need it in small quantities for green stars. Keeping things legal is for the best in the long run though.

Edited by BrightStar, 03 March 2007 - 10:38 PM.

[treefingers]

I just checked out hobbychem and I was suprised to see they have removed thier Potassium Perchlorate listing yet kept the Chlorate. If they are removing chemicals in the interest of safety, surely it would be more sensible to remove the Chlorate and kept the Perchlorate.

[pyroman247]

I just started this topic as new members like myself, find it useful to have one post with many different places to find items rather than trawling through all the old posts. Although, now I have had time to do so, I thought if people wanted a quick answer, it might help.

[Steve]

Few points.
As I said, but obviously not clearly enought. Childproof containers are only nessicary for List II poisons, not hazardous materaials in general.

Inoxia does use Royal mail for orders under 1.5kg. However orders of any weight for hazardous goods are delivered by courier. It may be possible that there was a mistake, but this is not our pactice and I shall look into what happened there. Lew, could you PM me your order details? a WEBxxxx order number would be ideal, so I can look into what happened.

The old version of Hobbychem's website showed out of stock for many of these items. Maybe perc was removed out of a stock problem as anything. But I think he did the right thing with Barium nitrate.

[lew]

Few points.
As I said, but obviously not clearly enought. Childproof containers are only nessicary for List II poisons, not hazardous materaials in general.

Inoxia does use Royal mail for orders under 1.5kg. However orders of any weight for hazardous goods are delivered by courier. It may be possible that there was a mistake, but this is not our pactice and I shall look into what happened there. Lew, could you PM me your order details? a WEBxxxx order number would be ideal, so I can look into what happened.

The old version of Hobbychem's website showed out of stock for many of these items. Maybe perc was removed out of a stock problem as anything. But I think he did the right thing with Barium nitrate.

Steve,

The orders were quite some time ago now and i dont have the details anymore. The first order was (if I remember correctly) 5 kilos of potassium perchlorate and a couple of kilos of red iron oxide.

A more recent one was for parlon, strontium carbonate, copper oxide and red gum.
I was not realy fussed that they were sent via royal mail. I was just putting hobbychems practices into context with other companies.

I have emailed hobbychem asking about why that KClO4 and barium nitrate have been removed. I'll post details when I get a response.