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[YT2095]

I`m not Quite sure how to Start this thread off, but I`v discovered something part by accident and part by design that I`m MORE THAN sure will interest you all (I think).

it` started with something I`v known as a kid but had no explanation for, that if you add sodium hydroxide to sugar soln it will turn very syrupy like honey and no longer be sweet, so I tried this with calcium metal in saturated sugar soln soln a month or so ago to get rather astonishing results, Yes the calcium reacted giving off hydrogen, but instead of it going cloudy to make lime water the soln stayed Clear!
cut a long story short I evaporated this clear liquid off to leave clear sugar like crystals, but it`s NOT sweet!
and when you add it to enough water it will turn cloudy.

basicaly I made Calcium Sucrate (or so my research over the last few weeks have said).

now Apparently this will work with all Group 2 metals (and I know it works with group 1), so I thought Perhaps this has an interesting potential in Pyro as a color donor.
most others seem to have the color doner in the Oxidiser, with Very little in the actual Reductor! (benzoates excluded).

so I tested Calcium Sucrate with Amperc, and not only did it give off a good and Very visible Red color (as good as any Strontium) it also crackled quite a bit like dragon eggs (but not as violent).

now this was only a .25 gram mixture on a steel plate, I have no idea if the crackle would happen if used in a device or star or something, nor will I test this (no License), BUT if anyone Else out there suitably equiped to make some and test it, I would Really like to see my results reproduced and verified independantly.

the Potential here is REALLY! exciting!
since it will happily accept accept a metal in the +2 oxidation state, and we all know Copper does the +2 quite happily also, and the Other color contributers Ba, Sr are group 2 andway, and I know Sodium works too because that`s what lead me down this path in the 1st place

currently I have some Barium Hydroxide that I made this morning drying out, and hope to make a few tests as to how viable it is to make Barium Sucrate.
but again, if anyone else is equiped to make this before me Go for it!

I for one am quite astonished at the Color and crackle effect I`v just seen, I Had to share this data with you!

[seymour]

Thank you YT2095, This is indeed very exiting!

I would love to try these in go getters with AP.

Do you have any information regarding hygroscopicity? Google was rather vague on these.

[Charlie]

I found this in a cursory google search, thought some might find it interesting:

Sucrates

Notice that the author lists the taste of the Barium compound!

[YT2095]

Thank you YT2095, This is indeed very exiting!

I would love to try these in go getters with AP.

Do you have any information regarding hygroscopicity? Google was rather vague on these.

yes, for the Calcium sucrate, it`s a very strange material when it`s drying, it will Seem to stick like honey and you think it`ll never come off your glass dish, but as it dries it cracks and crazes and becomes Very brittle and removes itself!
it`s much harder than sugar and doesn`t dissolve very well at all (it takes ages!), it`c not in the least bit Hygroscopic and will even dry itself left in the open in a room.
I`m currently crystalising a 5g batch of the calcium suctrate, I`v tried with the Barium analog using BaO but there dodesn`t seem to have been any reaction take place, it Seems that I will need Barium metal in order to make this work.
That in itself is a Problem because of its cost

non the less, Ba and Sr metal are on my Wish-List, and as soon as I find a decent source at the right price, I`ll make some anyway to test.

[MDH]

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Edited by MDH, 13 March 2008 - 03:01 AM.

[knackers]

sorry if this is not the appropriate forum

i`ve been using pvc for a donor and thought about using actual chlorine from the pool shop, it comes in granuals and big tablet form ( for those floating dispensers )

can anybody give me some advice on its useability, will it have any hazardous rections ? will it work ?

any information would be great thanks

[Arthur Brown]

Chlorine is a green gas. Used in WW1 as a war gas as it kills by destroying the mucous membranes - eyes mouth lungs etc. DO NOT work with chlorine.

Pool "chlorine" is a solid or solution. Mono, Di and Tri -chloro isocyanuric acid is used in solid form and the tri-chlor form is about 90% Cl. Also sodium hypochlorite is used. (Bleach!). There are other systems of sanitising pool water also, please be really sure what you have before you experiment. Some pool systems use salt water and then electrolyse that to form sanitising OCl species in situ

[knackers]

oaky doaky, well best i give the pool chlorine a wide birth,

thanks for your help Arthur