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#1 pyromaniac303

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 10:39 PM

Recently I have been asked to do a display on very large premises owned by the military, but at a time after the 11pm 'curfew'. Is the piece of legislation relating to this specifically to do with the noise, and if so what level of noise is acceptable? For instance would it be appropriate just to do a display of candles, wheels and gerbs, or would this still be illegal?

I have done a bit of reading into this but so far have only found this OPSI Fireworks Regulations 2004.

It seems like you have to be a council worker to put on a display after 11pm, but I have never heard of this happening. It seems as though it is referring to all fireworks in general, but as it is to be conducted on military premises I would have thought they would be exempt from such things. Any clarification on this would be much appreciated.

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Edited by pyromaniac303, 18 October 2009 - 10:53 PM.

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#2 Arthur Brown

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 10:59 PM

Unless it will be on one of the named days with "extensions" then it would be unlawful.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:00 PM

on nov 5th the curfew increases to 12am also new year to 1am. there are some ways around the normal 11pm time if you apply to your local council for an exemption eg if it is a date of "Cultural Significance", otherwise all displays must be concluded by 11PM.


though as far as i know its not the firework that's banned afer 11pm its the noise the firework makes.


also the thing you may need to think about is you may get away with no noise fireworks but anything from PA / music to crowd noise comes into the 11pm rule also so location may be a key factor in getting approval

Edited by PyroPDC, 18 October 2009 - 11:01 PM.


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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:03 PM

though as far as i know its not the firework that's banned afer 11pm its the noise the firework makes.


I thought it was simply that fireworks must be over by 11pm, full stop, regardless of noise.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:19 PM

I thought it was simply that fireworks must be over by 11pm, full stop, regardless of noise.


general fireworks (cat 2 /3) genral public stuff yes there's no exceptions but professional displays its up to your local council,

iv got approval before from our local council when a outdoor concert went on till 12Am and they asked me to provide some pyro / gerbs / fountains at the end and i was told by the council as long as the fireworks made no noise then that was fine (though i was a big confused since they got aproval for the music to go on till 12am lol)

from what i remember them telling me fireworks do not come under the ordinary noise nuisance laws but under the fireworks act 2003 therefore noise from a concert they could get away with but firework noise is a lot harder to get approval for.

though like i said it depends on the location.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:23 PM

It seems like you have to be a council worker to put on a display after 11pm, but I have never heard of this happening.


this rule means there's a exception if the display was ran by the local council E.g they ask you to do a display for there city / village but it was required after 11pm then that's fine

Edited by PyroPDC, 18 October 2009 - 11:25 PM.


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Posted 19 October 2009 - 04:18 AM

I think that Government agencies are exempt, and as the military are a Government agency, I would imagine that they are exempt from the regulations and as you will be working for and contracted to the military for that night, you should fall under that exemption.
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Posted 21 October 2009 - 09:52 PM

Hi Paul, The 'Prohibition of use of certain fireworks at night' section of the 'Fireworks Regulations 2004' does seem to be the bit to look at.

7. - (1) Subject to paragraph (2) below, no person shall use an adult firework during night hours.

(2) Paragraph (1) above shall not prohibit the use of a firework -

a. during a permitted fireworks night; or

b. by any person who is employed by a local authority and who uses the firework in question -

(i) for the purposes of putting on a firework display by that local authority; or

(ii) at a national public celebration or a national commemorative event.



As far as I know, activities on military sites are exempt from the provisions of MSER and military personnel are not subject to the Cat4 possession restrictions, but I can't see any such exemptions on the FR2004 time limits.

In practice, given the difficulty the police have in enforcing the regs at this time of the year anyway, it seems fairly unlikely that they'd turn up and bother you on a military base :)

Edited by BrightStar, 21 October 2009 - 09:52 PM.


#9 Arthur Brown

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 10:21 PM

The fireworks act applies equally to military and civilian sites. You might get away with firing a late show through being on a military site but you would have to accept the advice of the station CO and the local police and trading standards, and weigh the cost and likelyhood of getting prosecuted for a late show.
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 09:43 AM

The fireworks act applies equally to military and civilian sites. You might get away with firing a late show through being on a military site but you would have to accept the advice of the station CO and the local police and trading standards, and weigh the cost and likelyhood of getting prosecuted for a late show.


I think you maybe right Arthur, I know there is a understanding with a friend of mine living near a training military site in essex, where the firing of rounds etc does not go beyond 5.30pm (probably a noise issue).




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