[exat808]

crystal palace fireworks, on 15 October 2010 - 07:53 PM, said:

Blimey thanks for pointing that out exat808,

The list I was emailed (excel file) gave the basic name of the business and the premises storage address with postcodes, but without named individuals, telephone numbers etc. Having looked closer, it also tells you if it is either; REG = registered?, REG + Annual = all round round shop ( I guess)?, LIC = licensed?.

For the record, can you explain the differences between `Registered and Licensed` in the context on how it applies to retail outlets and private storage?

This is a little worrying (from a security point of view) & confusing on the legislation front and listing I was given. On one hand a person can aquire a list of entries from a `public register` upon payment (I guess to cover admin costs) because its in the public domain, or view it at council offices for free (I guess), and yet it seems as if the MSER 2005 regs say different.

I wonder where this sits with the `The Freedom of Information Act`?

We want to promote the UKPS as well as inform the public on where to buy from bonefida licensed retailers (consumer fireworks) should we get enquiries, but not give-away private individual storage details.

1. The register entries and the ability of the general public to access them are enshrined in MSER and as these regulations were enacted subsequent to F of I they are totally compliant.

2 . "Registered" and "Licensed" are 2 terms used in MSER. The first is applicable to the storage of prescribed amounts of certain Hazard Types of explosives and affords a cheaper option than a "License" which is basically the storage of unlimited amounts of explosives. Various criteria have to be met for both Registrations and Licenses, particulalry "separation distances". MSER does not differentiate between retail/wholesale/private storage in respect of Registrations or Licences. it does make certain safety requirements where pyrotechnics are stored in buildings that are occupied and also to the storage of small quantities of certain HE in dwellings..

It may be better for UKPS in the future to work with national bodies such as the Trading Standards Institute, Local Government Regulation (formerly LACORS), the Chief Fire Officers Association (CFOA), and the Confederation Of British Industries Explosive Industry group.

[crystal palace fireworks]

exat808, on 15 October 2010 - 08:41 PM, said:

1. The register entries and the ability of the general public to access them are enshrined in MSER and as these regulations were enacted subsequent to F of I they are totally compliant.

2 . "Registered" and "Licensed" are 2 terms used in MSER. The first is applicable to the storage of prescribed amounts of certain Hazard Types of explosives and affords a cheaper option than a "License" which is basically the storage of unlimited amounts of explosives. Various criteria have to be met for both Registrations and Licenses, particulalry "separation distances". MSER does not differentiate between retail/wholesale/private storage in respect of Registrations or Licences. it does make certain safety requirements where pyrotechnics are stored in buildings that are occupied and also to the storage of small quantities of certain HE in dwellings..

It may be better for UKPS in the future to work with national bodies such as the Trading Standards Institute, Local Government Regulation (formerly LACORS), the Chief Fire Officers Association (CFOA), and the Confederation Of British Industries Explosive Industry group.

Thanks for the info Exat808.

As you have pointed out, there does seem to be an oversight on behalf of the local authority in question (given your explanation/interpretation of the current legislation), that said - If the public is not allowed access to registered retail firework outlets via local authority public register listings to attempt to increase public safety & awareness on where to purchase legitimate consumer fireworks, then some of the MSER 2005 regs need to be re-written to accomodate this problem.

There should be safeguards in place to restrict access to information regarding private explosive storage, but not retail storage of consumer fireworks if its in direct relation to storage at a shop or supermarket premises that sells directly to the public (not including other storage related to that shop elsewhere), as far as Im concerned, the only exception to this should be enquiries relating to planning applications that affect residents of properties nearby of a said storage.

As a `not for profit` voluntary society, The UKPS always attempts to work with many of the organisations you mention, in this instance, my enquiries to my local authority were from a personal stand point to help promote the organisation I belong to, not as a official representation of the UKPS itself.

[starseeker]

I have just got back from skybursts shop in bristol,
the shop manager (Debbie)was more than happy to have the leaflets and said that skyburst were not aware of the ukps but now that they did she would be having a word with the boss and hopefully get a presence on the forum like epic etc,and also look into offering discounts for ukps members,all in all result!

[crystal palace fireworks]

Have delivered leaflets to `Flowers @ 104` in North Street Romford (massive shop totally kitted-out to sell fireworks only during this period = Mainly `Brightstar` and another brand), and `Gidea Park Groceries Ltd (premier shop)`.

Have also delivered (21.10.10) to `Cards & Gifts R us in Elm Park Essex. and Harliquin Fancy Dress hire in Hornchurch Essex, both offer retail fireworks - they were happy to take our leaflets after explaining what we are about - looks like we will get a few more members!.

This post has been edited by crystal palace fireworks: 21 October 2010 - 02:22 PM

[phildunford]

Lots of really good publicity coming out of this - thanks for all the effort guys...

[starseeker]

phildunford, on 19 October 2010 - 01:28 PM, said:

Lots of really good publicity coming out of this - thanks for all the effort guys...

It was a pleasure

[Karl]

Ours turned up today and now in the shop

[wayne]

Standard Fireworks/Black Cat on site shop in Huddersfield now has UKPS leaflets on the counter!

[crystal palace fireworks]

Some small but good news everyone, I ve recently been in touch with a delightful chap called John Hall (licensing officer) at the City of London Police to seek permission for us to legally & freely handout our UKPS leaflets to crowds that gather for firework events within the square mile,...he has given us the ok from a police point of view because we are not financially gaining anything (us being a `not for profit` society and all that),.....but please note, if you handout UKPS leaflets within the boundaries the other boroughs, you will most probably have to pay for a license to carry out this activity.

If you want a copy of his email reply, just ask me and I will email it in a attachment.

[Richard H]

Concerning recent posts about advertising and unfair removal of mark's banner - I will be contacting all parties today to sort this mess out. My apologies again.

[crystal palace fireworks]

Visited the Royal Gunpowder Mills at Waltham Abbey in Essex yesterday (5th Nov 2011) as part of there weekend event - got chatting to a few key volunteers and got permission to leave a hundred or so UKPS leaflets in there shop, this is the sort of venue that would be good for a future UKPS AGM = especially if we hold it to co-incide with other outdoor events they hold = more publicity for us!

Did anyone manage to distribute some UKPS leaflets at other displays or events they attended?

[pyromaniac303]

Great work! Drop me a PM with their contact details and I'll post some out to them.

I distributed a few leaflets to some local retailers, but haven't had chance to on the same scale I did last year.

[crystal palace fireworks]

I ve emailed a kind gentleman (curator) at The Chart Mills gun powder site in Faversham, and he has agreed to take our UKPS leaflets for two venues - one at the Chart Mills building which is open on weekends during summer months, and the TIC display dedicated to gun powder at the Fleur De Lis Heritage centre.

Paul (pyromaniac303) I will email you with details on where to send them.

[chrismdunford]

I hope you have remembered to remove the old membership secretary address as I was unable to arrange for UKPS mail to be forwarded to the new address.