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[eoJ]

Currently, I'm just trying to convince my mum to let me make Cremoras for our home display on November 5th. All the fireworks will be shop-bought, it's just I'd really like to start it off with a couple of cremoras, and maybe add in a couple of black-powder based rockets, but nothing involving flash powder etc. I'm not too bothered about the rockets, but I really would like the cremoras. She mentioned that she might be convinced by some proof of the safety of it all. Anyone got any evidence, or anything else that might convince her?

I'm 17 btw, if that makes any difference.

Thanks a load.
Joe

P.S. I won't be ball-milling, so that's that risk eliminated.

Edited by eoJ, 27 October 2010 - 07:19 PM.

[wjames]

Have you made ANY compositions yet ???? Don't get me wrong, IMHO cremoras are a great starting project - But regardless of your mothers permission, i think you've left it a tad late to :

a: source chemicals + visco
b : get your bp to a useable standard
c : get it granulated etc.
d: test your cremoras to a degree where you can feel safe using them infront of others......



will your mother let you fire all the fireworks. Maybe doing that will satisfy you in the meantime, and show your mother how safe you can be. forget " remember remember the 5th of november"

" REMEMBER REMEMBER PPE !!!!"

[eoJ]

Have you made ANY compositions yet ???? Don't get me wrong, IMHO cremoras are a great starting project - But regardless of your mothers permission, i think you've left it a tad late to :

a: source chemicals + visco
b : get your bp to a useable standard
c : get it granulated etc.
d: test your cremoras to a degree where you can feel safe using them infront of others......



will your mother let you fire all the fireworks. Maybe doing that will satisfy you in the meantime, and show your mother how safe you can be. forget " remember remember the 5th of november"

" REMEMBER REMEMBER PPE !!!!"

I'll be honest, no compositions have been made yet. But I've researched for a pretty long time, and I understand everything I plan on doing fully.

I'll answer your points:

a. That should be fine, if I get them shipped first class, ordering say tomorrow.
b. With a bit of testing hopefully that's doable? Plenty of time at the weekend.
c. as with B?
d. again, might that be doable?

And yeah, she's fine with me firing them all off, as I did last year, but this year I'd really like to take it a little further.

Thanks for the advice.

[wjames]

I'll be honest, no compositions have been made yet. But I've researched for a pretty long time, and I understand everything I plan on doing fully.

I'll answer your points:

a. That should be fine, if I get them shipped first class, ordering say tomorrow.
b. With a bit of testing hopefully that's doable? Plenty of time at the weekend.
c. as with B?
d. again, might that be doable?

And yeah, she's fine with me firing them all off, as I did last year, but this year I'd really like to take it a little further.

Thanks for the advice.

Oh, and i'm not trying to put you off. I FULLY respect you for attempting to gain permission from your mother. I won't lie, I never bothered with that. thats likely why i came within a millimeter of loosing my eyesight in a thermite accident at 16. You have NO idea how lucky i was to walk away un-hurt !!!!


Do you have enough spare cash to throw at this, in order to do it well, and safe ???? Here's a good idea. Post up here with a list of things you plan to order !!.....

Edited by wjames, 27 October 2010 - 07:58 PM.

[Deano 1]

Hey Joe, I don't want to burst your bubble but why don't you plan your cremoras for next year. A few reasons really,
1. you'll be 18 and you can actually buy chems legaly
2. you will have perfected your cremoras
3. your mum will see all the hard work and study and she will have a little more trust in you
4. PLEASE DON'T rush this hobby because it can bite, and it can bite hard

[Arthur Brown]

With not having made them before you cannot convince me that you are either safe or competent to do this, so please don't try to convince your mum.

Firstly never experiment with an audience it's not the time to make mistakes. Secondly get it right with some help.

[MDH]

It seems to me as though you are all recommending a bit of a non starter, with all due respect. Research is very important - I began my own research at the age of nine, reading many books about fireworks and all of their technical aspects a long time before I decided I wanted to make them. But if he is unable to learn now, where will he start? And how? Would you suggest fountains? I can't imagine he'll learn much doing nothing.

[Arthur Brown]

Primarily doing the first trials of any effect in front of a close audience is very silly! There would be too many people hurt if something went wrong. The first few trials should be done safely at a distance.

Spend a year reading this forum and some real pyro books before you do experiments, even then dont do tests in front of a close audience.

[Atom Fireworks]

Eoj listen mate theres far to many preachers on here these days, look if you really wanna do this then you need to do it safely. You have got just less than 1 week to buy, make, test remake and test again as many times as possible before the night. If by then you think your creations are safe you should then make a hand full say 5 and show your mum what they do, and how you plan to use them.

I wanted to get into this hobby to make my own shells and i thought " yea ive got 1 month to make them" it actually took me over 4 month just to get the lift right and the timing right. If i was you i would just go for it, even if your mum still doesnt let you use them on the night you can still make them for your own pleasure. Just again be safe in doing so and ask any questions you have on here ime sure no one will begrudge you information that may save you from harm.

[Creepin_pyro]

P.S. I won't be ball-milling, so that's that risk eliminated.

Am I correct in thinking you have no chems and no ball-mill?

You're going to need half-decent BP to make cremoras.

Have you ever made BP before?

[phildunford]

My mum & dad (god rest them) were always delighted & amazed with what I did (probably made my first pyro creation at age 12!).

They thought it was part of my education (which it proved to be) & credited me with enough sense to take the best precautions I could.
They were of a generation that had been through WW2 & knew what real danger was! These days we are brain washed from the cradle to the grave.

Be careful, test in small quantities in a safe place, use your common sense, but do have a go. I'm intact after 40 years of it & I did not have the benefit of all the advice that is available here and elsewhere...

[rick87]

don't want to be a wet blanket but i honestly think it'll take you longer than a week to get a decent cremora. I wanted to make a few couple of weeks back so looked it up, seemed pretty easy, so went out and made one. all it did was spread coffee creamer all over my garden. This kept happening time and time again, you really need to perfect your black powder before anything else and perfect blackpowder cannot be achieved unless you ball mill (or use the cia method)

[Atom Fireworks]

What exactly is a cremore, i understand it to be a fire ball, like the one they did in mythbusters? If so isnt our version just a mine but instead of lifting stars of some sort you lift a powder? If so what powder as i might have a stab at these. What powder do you use and where can i get it from in the uk.

[rick87]

What exactly is a cremore, i understand it to be a fire ball, like the one they did in mythbusters? If so isnt our version just a mine but instead of lifting stars of some sort you lift a powder? If so what powder as i might have a stab at these. What powder do you use and where can i get it from in the uk.

anything with a high fat content will suffice. I think there's an actual chemical that can be used but for ease it's powdered coffee whitener

[crystal palace fireworks]

What exactly is a cremore, i understand it to be a fire ball, like the one they did in mythbusters? If so isnt our version just a mine but instead of lifting stars of some sort you lift a powder? If so what powder as i might have a stab at these. What powder do you use and where can i get it from in the uk.

It is fireball/mine, made with milk powder - think of coffeemate - its literally powdered fat which on the whole creates a better effect than flour.