85 replies to this topic

[Peret]

Having read through the entire thread again, these are my thoughts.

 

As Digger has pointed out, the license is completely pointless to its stated purpose of preventing dangerous chemicals falling into criminal hands. However, perhaps the stated purpose is not the real one. There is little doubt that the EU precursor regulation will go through, and the UK will have no choice other than to adopt it. The proposed license creates a legal loophole that allows the present state of affairs to continue in Britain. If this is indeed the intent, as I suspect it may be, neither the price nor the bureaucracy should be too difficult to meet. I believe it shouldn't be opposed, nor confused by connecting it to any other demands like a change to the 100g rule. These can be tackled later, once the right of possession is secured.

 

If I still lived in Britain, I would apply for one.

[dannytsg]

If I need one to acquire chemical for experiements then I would have to get one. If the total cost outweighs the frequency for which I would be ordering such chemicals anyway then I would more than likely satick to watching youtube videos of compsitions I could no longer make.

[phildunford]

If I need one to acquire chemical for experiements then I would have to get one. If the total cost outweighs the frequency for which I would be ordering such chemicals anyway then I would more than likely satick to watching youtube videos of compsitions I could no longer make.

 

Yes, I think that's what the HSE are hoping.

 

It's been stated that many experimenters are 'one off' experimenters & would do nothing at all if they could not easy get the chems  Of course many people will resort to illegal sources.

 

If a licence cost £5 for 10 years, almost anybody would buy one, but I can't see that happening!

[derek]

definately would, hopefully it wont be too expensive or there will still be people doing it anyway

[portfire]

I certainly would, lets hope it's cheap enough.

[Sparky]

I would not mind a modest licensing process and fee to placate the morons in EU who actually think this legislation will prevent real terrorists from blowing people up.

However, we should not stand down from the Do Nothing option. This proposed legislation is total bollocks and we all know it. We are the electorate and this legislation is going to directly impact our lives for no good reason. We should be fighting this with every last drop of energy we have in our bodies. 

 

Let's get this in perspective shall we. Alcohol and smoking costs billions, kills millions and here we are feeling sheepish about making the odd pyro comp and setting it off as far from neighbours as possible. It makes me sick how we have been marginalised by numerous idiotic bureaucrats who have no interest in what we do and seek only to create a role for them and lifelong career.
 

[TritonPyro]

It has to be a good idea so we can be somewhat more legal. Also to order restricted chemicals and having the licence to do it maybe will slow the YouTube crazies. The thing that worries me is local constabulary wanting to go where there're are bangs and or suspicious neighbours. When new laws come out, do not think for a minute that the policeman in the car would know anything about it at all. You will be larger on their radar and try to argue the point with an over zealous cop. Of course, I hope for the best, but still a little ' antsy '.

[wayne]

For those who haven't already been notified, the HO has now responded to the consultation, with the decision being:

 

Option 2 is to make a requirement for home users to obtain a licence in advance of a purchase 

of a poison on the Part 1 List from a registered pharmacy. Both Part 1 and Part 2 poisons would 

be subject to mandatory suspicious transaction, theft and significant loss reporting for business 

to business sales, and sales to the general public. 

 

The requirement for a retailer selling Part 2 poisons to pay for an annual licence from their Local 

Authority will be removed. 

 

Pharmacies will be required to label Part 1 poisons indicating that their ‘acquisition, possession 

or use by the general public is restricted’. 

 

Read this here:

 

https://www.gov.uk/g...s-consultations

[dave]

are we seriously saying that if we want barium nitrate we should pop along to our local pharmacist
..............

[Arthur Brown]

While some things will lawfully be obtainable by permitted consumers, it will take a LOT more work to persuade retail outlets to provide obscure and specially restricted items to permit holders. Your local pharmacy will find it more business sense to stock asprins than to stock barium nitrate in 100g bottles that need permit to purchase checked and recorded for every sale. 

 

However IMO (and only that) this will regularise the supply of specialist pyro things from specialist pyro suppliers.

[martyn]

The term they use in Wayne's post is Registered Pharmacy.

I sort of assumed (hopefully) that some of the usual suppliers would just gain this status and crack on.

I don't know what the criteia are though, you possibly need to have a pharmacy qualification and meet loads of other criteria to be registered.

I don't think anyone is going to find what we need in Boots.

This page has some bumph but I haven't had time to look at it properly yet, but the 'new premises registration form' doesn't look too onerous.

[dave]

i doubt very much it is that simple.
 
the royal pharmaceutical society based in Lambeth London, do tend to rigorously defend their turf,
and they do it very well............you will certainly not just be able to "open" a so called pharmacy for pyro supplies
 
Arthur above, has the best idea..."specialist pyro things from specialist pyro suppliers."

[Arthur Brown]

Remember that that post quoted is only MY Opinion. If I have to go to a Pharmacy to buy 100g of a precursor or poison I think we can be certain that no retail pharmacy will stock Perc/ Barium salts etc so the licence will be pointless.

[Sparky]

Can someone definitively say what the hell is going to happen? This all sound slike a complete mess if you ask me? I was so positive to start but now I am not sure at all.

 

[starseeker]

Keep cool sparky,

As from september we will have 18 months to get your explosive precursors licence to enable you to buy and store the chemicals on the restricted list,also you will need your COER for black powder storage,and due to all the hard work that Wayne has put in and our hobby being recognised as legitimate this should all be straight forward.

 

I would also think that where ever you get your chems now,should not change ,if anything you should have even more choice