Edited by adamw, 07 November 2005 - 07:46 PM.
Professional display at Rochdale
#1 Guest_Anthony_*
Posted 07 November 2005 - 09:37 AM
#2
Posted 07 November 2005 - 11:10 AM
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#3
Posted 07 November 2005 - 11:32 AM
#4 Guest_Anthony_*
Posted 07 November 2005 - 11:39 AM
We had to do it this way and they were waterproofed in advance because it was raining!Sounds like you had fun, but you were transporting loaded mortar tubes? Not good!
#5
Posted 07 November 2005 - 02:19 PM
I have never heard such nonsense before. You never heard about waterproofing on site?!?! I?m not sure what you done is legal, but I never heard a serious company putting shells in advance in mortars and carrying them like that in the van? Anyone from the professionals care to remark?We had to do it this way and they were waterproofed in advance because it was raining!
#6 Guest_Anthony_*
Posted 07 November 2005 - 02:43 PM
Also the van has a wooden partition keeping the load area completely separate(and sealed) from the cab so nothing can touch or affect the pyro. That way Dave can safely have a fag while he is driving with all that pyro on board safe in the knowledge that nothing can touch it OR set it alight by accident either. Also we do it with our mortar racks as well by loading the shells in advance and by preparation/waterproofing and fusing prior to transporting them to the display venue. In this way, they are all prepared and ready for set-up, plus there's less messing around as a result;and through all this advance preparation/fusing etc in advance and transporting the pyro assembled etc, all that is left for me and Dave to do is to secure them where appropriate with suitable means;for example by stakes if the display is in a field or large garden OR by straps if we're using a carpark or area with concrete.
Edited by Anthony, 07 November 2005 - 03:50 PM.
#7
Posted 07 November 2005 - 04:13 PM
I take it Dave's never been much into safety then. Imagine the scenario. Dave's merrily driving down the road, fag in mouth, loaded mortars in the back. He collides with an oncoming vehicle and the van rolls onto it's side. The roof points at the windows of a busy supermarket. Dave's fag ignites the petrol pouring from the other car. The fire spreads to the load and shells fire straight down the baked bean aisle of Tesco's. Many people are seriously injured or die. That would really promote the old firework industry. I assume that he's taken the ARD course! I assume that he know about the carriage of explosives by road regulations. Loaded mortars and a quick fag are both highly illegal whilst transporting fireworks. The fireworks aren't in a U.N approved container and they aren't classified for transport in that form either.
I suggest that you stay away from Dave.
#8
Posted 07 November 2005 - 04:15 PM
As for the comment on advanced preparation, I agree... be prepaired as in have everything ready that you would need on site to layout all fireworks as well as securing them and a suitable method of water proofing.
We all know it takes time to rig a show and I have done shows that have taken a few hours to rig and severall that have taken over a week to rig... just make sure you leave enough time according to the size of show to rig even if you have to get out of bed at 5 in the morning.
The wooden partition would be turned to match sticks if a mortar fired in the back of the vehicle... get "Dave" to launch a 4" shell in daylight for you.. you will soon get an idea of the velocity that a shell leaves the tube. Shells that are not in mortar tubes will not be projected in a direction if the lift is ignited.. they may bounce around but that is about it, well atleast for the next 3 to 4 seconds then it will get kinda hair raising.
Mark
Edited by The_Djinn, 07 November 2005 - 04:16 PM.
BPA L1 & L2
#9
Posted 07 November 2005 - 07:55 PM
Mortartube's point is a perfectly chilling example of what could happen. And 8" ??!! What a fool! Please Anthony, don't think this is how it is / should be done because is sure is not!
If time was so essential, why did you sit round having fags and watching other displays!?
Also, Anthony - I know the show / plan / decisions were not yours, but you preach about Cat 3 safety yet turn a blind eye to this serious, unprofessional and irresponsible act!? Don't be so daft!
On all displays I go to we endure whatever the weather throws at us and load / waterproof the mortars IN THE FIELD! Reading this just makes me so damn angry!
#10
Posted 07 November 2005 - 09:37 PM
#11 Guest_Anthony_*
Posted 08 November 2005 - 10:50 AM
What you are predicting is something of a nightmare scenario that has never happened at all. Also Dave is a good friend of mine and we always get on well and work well together;don't tell me who I should and shouldn't have as friends either. Dave always flicks his fag ash out of the window and extinguishes his fag but ends in the ashtray in the middle of the van console.That way Dave can safely have a fag while he is driving with all that pyro on board safe in the knowledge that nothing can touch it OR set it alight by accident either.
I take it Dave's never been much into safety then. Imagine the scenario. Dave's merrily driving down the road, fag in mouth, loaded mortars in the back. He collides with an oncoming vehicle and the van rolls onto it's side. The roof points at the windows of a busy supermarket. Dave's fag ignites the petrol pouring from the other car. The fire spreads to the load and shells fire straight down the baked bean aisle of Tesco's. Many people are seriously injured or die. That would really promote the old firework industry. I assume that he's taken the ARD course! I assume that he know about the carriage of explosives by road regulations. Loaded mortars and a quick fag are both highly illegal whilst transporting fireworks. The fireworks aren't in a U.N approved container and they aren't classified for transport in that form either.
I suggest that you stay away from Dave.
#12
Posted 08 November 2005 - 03:45 PM
#13
Posted 08 November 2005 - 04:28 PM
If anyone is likely to have an accident along the scenario that I have suggested. It will most likely be somebody who behaves in the way that you have outlined that your mate Dave behaves. Luckily this "nightmare scenario", hasn't happened, as most people respect the rules and regulations and the reason behind them. That's why most of them comply.
I certainly wasn't trying to tell you who you should or shouldn't associate with, I would have thought that common sense and a sense of self preservation would dictate that in this instance. Perhaps I'm wrong there!
As a final point, it doesn't matter where Dave flicks his ash or extinguishes his fags or why you carry loaded mortars in the van. He is breaking the law and WHEN, not if, some idiot like this cause a major incident, the whole of the firework industry will suffer and not just the perpertrator(s).
That's my tuppence worth said.
#14
Posted 10 November 2005 - 12:52 AM
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Posted 10 November 2005 - 10:11 AM
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