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[Creepin_pyro]

Sounds great, glad it all went down well.

Regarding your quickmatch failing, how are you attaching visco to it?

Passing fire from visco to QM is easy enough, the other way round is not.

[pjalchemist]

Sounds great, glad it all went down well.

Regarding your quickmatch failing, how are you attaching visco to it?

Passing fire from visco to QM is easy enough, the other way round is not.

Have always used 3 cables ties with no problems.

Have never failed with visco to QM and always have had QM to visco light just not this time.

I need to bulk order some more fuse, but looks like the normal places have gone which sucks, use to order 500m at a time

[The Legendary Graham]

iv always been quite interested in this as its a very gray area and also a subject banned on the ukff.

i would like to ask peoples thoughts on this as i would have thought by keeping the origonal fuse (5 sec safety fuse) adding on a means of lighting that fuse (by use of an ignitor or another fuse still keeps its as cat 3) if someone removed that original fuse then it turns to cat 4

have i got something wrong

If you modify a cat 3 item it no longer conforms to the bs7114 tests it underwent and therefore becomes cat4.

[phildunford]

If you modify a cat 3 item it no longer conforms to the bs7114 tests it underwent and therefore becomes cat4.

Does it become CAT 4 or does it in fact become unclassified?

All a bit crazy really...

[portfire]

Theres an exemption in MSER? That allows 'On site fusing', meaning that you can alter a firework, inculding CAT3. Though this doesn't mean your back garden! Even if you take the label of a CAT 3 firework, it becomes CAT 4.

It part 3 regulation 9 (e)

The preparation, assembly and fusing of fireworks, in quantities of no more than 10 kilograms at a time, at a site in relation to which a person holds a licence or registration for the storage of explosives, for the purposes of a firework display to be put on by that person;

Edited by portfire, 23 November 2010 - 04:41 PM.

[phildunford]

Got a bit confused about all this, so I consulted the oracle - OK Exat!

The bit of MSER that applies here is:

Reg 9(2)(d) permits the preparation, assembly, disassembly and fusing of firework displays at the place of intended use. Note here that the exemption is for "firework displays" at "the place of intended use". This is expanded upon in the Approved Code of Practice at para 496 which explains that the following activities would be included in the exemption -
a. unpacking fireworks
b. connecting fireworks together or attaching them to frames
c. linking individual firework fuses together
d. attaching a main fuse to the display

MSER does not differentiate between the Categories of fireworks used in consumer legislation, instead it relies upon a definition of firework that captures the UN numbers assigned to fireworks - 0333 to 0337

So it was a 'firework display' (nothing about professional or for the general public- your back garden is fine) & it was done at 'the place of intended use'. So all fine & legal! You connected the fireworks & attached them to frames. Of course if you had taken the fuses out or anything that would be a different matter.

The 10Kg etc. rule applies to fusing at a licenced store & then moving - which was not the case here.

Thanks Exat!

[Candle]

Glad this is sorted as there was certainly some flaky advice floating around.

My son in law works in Insurance and his understanding related to a clause he referred to me some time ago (he has no firework knowledge whatsoever) - "the fitting of either mechanical or electric ignitors is allowed" .

I realise that Insurance clauses are no substitute for the comprehensive explanation from exact. Thank goodness we have such members.

[cooperman435]

but wouldn't the "place of intended use" be the back garden or the place the display was fired?

Therefore fusing in the home in advance and then transporting to site wasn't covered?

[phildunford]

but wouldn't the "place of intended use" be the back garden or the place the display was fired?

Therefore fusing in the home in advance and then transporting to site wasn't covered?

lol - don't think anyone would try & prosecute you for taking it out of the house! Presumably the house and the garden have the same address so technically I guess you wouldn't have taken it anywhere. Anyway, I'm not going to loose too much sleep over that one...