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#1 Rob.L.

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Posted 11 September 2016 - 07:56 PM

Hello all,

 

Since my joining here I have begun to get to know folk and have had my first meeting with a member to do some experimentation and socialising.

 

Also a good opportunity for reagent exchange!

 

Most of the time was spent discussing the usual matters of the law and so on but we did get some fun small scale experiments done eventually.

 

The Pharos serpent is always a good one!

 

If anyone out there is thinking of getting involved then please reply to this thread publically and perhaps we chat or can meet up If you are in my area.

 

Most importantly,  it is good Join up to the UKPS and get yourself licensed if you want to get more involved. This is really the only way forward if you want this to continue into the future. Ther are other forums and resources out there doing a good work and I like them too!

 

Please remember to keep it legal, I am not interested in rennegade pyros :D. Seriously, I know we all started somewhere but we must streamline what we do to keep within the guidelines. There is more room than you think but not as much as you may like!

 



#2 martyn

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 02:37 AM

...... and get yourself licensed if you want to get more involved......

 

Not sure why but I don't like that terminology, probably the pedant in me.

I assume you mean get an epp licence as there is no licence required for experimenting with amateur pyrotechnics other than for acquiring or possessing epp's.

Much fun can be had without these. Obviously you will need an a&k and / or ao, but again not a licence :)

 

PS when's the agm? :ph34r:



#3 Rob.L.

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 07:03 AM

 
 

 

...... and get yourself licensed if you want to get more involved......

 

Not sure why but I don't like that terminology, probably the pedant in me.

I assume you mean get an epp licence as there is no licence required for experimenting with amateur pyrotechnics other than for acquiring or possessing epp's.

Much fun can be had without these. Obviously you will need an a&k and / or ao, but again not a licence :)

 

PS when's the agm? :ph34r:

 

Helllo martyn,

 

I am more than aware that we do not need a license as such for amateur experimentation only. Without an EPP licence, many of the key chemicals needed to really make the most of amateur pyrotechnics or general chemistry are out of reach.

If I had not applied I would have not been able to continue at all really, Also if you are known to the authorities it's better that you can be eliminated from the 'shadows' and let them spend their time looking for real issues.

 

Minor experiments can be done with alternative oxidisers but unless you stick to strontium and potassium nitrate and a few others I would say you are missing out and worse still making more unstable compositions due to not being able to access the appropriate chemicals.

Can you suggest how you are likely to obtain the chemicals needed for many of the compositions that are commonly used without taking the step to licensing?

 

How do you gain greater credibility and respect within government and thus better social accepability, people are hard pushed to accept all of this type of thing and whilst I don't really care what joe public thinks of me personally for all of this I do not want to be at odds with the world if there is a better way.

 

Before getting my EPP I would have to keep answering questions from people I know and I could tell they were still unsure.

Now I can explain that I am licensed by the Home Office they are left more intrigued than worried. Also geuss what?.......... :ph34r:..........they might even want to get involved themselves!!!!!

 

How can you practice17th, 18th an 19th century chemistry as I do without Licenseable chemicals?..............Hardly!

 

How is having an Aquire & Keep not getting licensed?

 

I started this post as a way of letting the wider world know there is a way in to all this in my area and I am here to encourage that. It is fine asking questions but how about posting something about what is happening in your area and encouraging folk there to join you?

 

The AGM?? Try reading the posts in that section. it does not take much to get the drift really.

 

 



#4 JamesB

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 07:51 AM

Acquire and keep / acquire only are explosives certificates rather than licences. An explosives licence would refer to manufacture and/or storage of large quantities with all the separation distance etc. issues relevant to that. Still, just a nonmenclature issue really.

#5 wayne

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 09:52 AM

A great post and the way forward but please let us get back to dicussing the actual pyro and less of the legislation.  I think thats been done to death!

 

Keep it positive folks and let get back to the reason we're all here...lovely pyro!  :D



#6 Rob.L.

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 11:57 AM

 
 

 

Acquire and keep / acquire only are explosives certificates rather than licences. An explosives licence would refer to manufacture and/or storage of large quantities with all the separation distance etc. issues relevant to that. Still, just a nonmenclature issue really.

 

 

Hi James,

 

I see you are possibly not too far from me.

 

Do you want to meet or chat sometime? P.M. if you like.

 

I have scope to do small scale stuff at my house and could venture out a bit further if things get smokey!

 

Regards.

 

Rob.



#7 JamesB

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Posted 12 September 2016 - 05:02 PM

Sounds like a good plan to me!

 

I'm crazy busy at the mo with work and the run up to the season, plus I want to get some more BP and stars made up before I next have a play but I'll drop you a message this evening and we can see what similar interests we've got and hopefully get something sorted!



#8 Rob.L.

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Posted 22 October 2016 - 05:48 AM

 
 

Greetings All,

 

I had another good night of Pyro experiments last week.

 

A local young person had shown an 'interest' in all things pyrotechnic so I invited him and his dad around for an evening to demonstrate what could lawfully be done.

 

Needless to say he is still raving about it now and I am looking forward to the next one, it really encourages me to see this you know.

 

Black powder and some other small compositions were made.

 

I will post some more on the next meeting, hopefully get some pics next time. That is if my Photography is up to it!



#9 wayne

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Posted 22 October 2016 - 06:04 AM

Excellent stuff, great to here another generation getting the pyro bug. Looking forward to seeing some photos!

#10 starseeker

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Posted 22 October 2016 - 07:31 PM

It is great to read something positive and that the next generation has smelt the smoke :)



#11 Rob.L.

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Posted 22 October 2016 - 08:04 PM

Yes,

 

I am so happy that young people who may take the road of risk in pyro have a chance to see that you can legally and safely do all sorts of chemical/pyro stuff.

 

I am hoping to see them again soon and over time build a good thing in my area. It takes time but with a little effort is possible.






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