How to prepare smoke compositions
Posted 14 November 2005 - 09:37 PM
Posted 14 November 2005 - 10:24 PM
Posted 14 November 2005 - 11:56 PM
Posted 15 November 2005 - 01:59 PM
It is used as a biological staining agent, but I doubt you will find anything OTC if you don't work at a pharmaceutical company.
While it is possible to make inorganic smokes utulizing silicates and other salts(as in one of the BAFN books), the smokes are nothing compared to real inorganic dyes.
I will see if I can find some of my old videos of Rhodamine B. The smoke is really more purplish pink than red. I am anxious to try out para red though, I think it is more signal red.
Posted 16 November 2005 - 02:22 AM
Posted 19 November 2005 - 07:36 PM
There are videos of red smoke compositions with rhodamine B, different HCE-based smoke compositions in there, sugar/potassium nitrate smokes, a military smoke grenade(HCE-based clearly), and the forum video of roguesci. Enjoy!
Please ask if you have questions.
Edited by rooster, 19 November 2005 - 07:37 PM.
Posted 28 November 2005 - 06:42 PM
I'm trying to find a formulation for a tactical smoke mix that has good dense smoke, with good color, dense so it stays low to the ground and doesnt use a chlorate.
Im nervous of using the US military mixture of KCLO3, Sulfur flour, Sodium Bicarbonate, and smoke dye...
I'd like to have something that might have a shelf life of a 6 months or so after i shrink-wrap it to reduce its exposure to air...but i dont want it to explode if stored wrong
what do you think guys...maybe use the mil-smoke formula but make it into a composite using P-Ban?
i came across another formula for a dense bright smoke:
50% smoke dye
25% Potassium Chlorate
8% Powdered (confectioner’s) sugar
3% Baking soda
Make sure all is very fine powder and well mixed.
Put ? of the mixed composition in a plastic bag and add water mixed with 10% denatured alcohol. Add a little at a time and knead to the point you can form a ball that won't crumble. Add the remaining 1/4 of composition and knead more. If it won’t hold together and crumbles, add a couple of drops more water and knead the hell out of it. It's very important that it's not too wet. You can tell if it’s too wet by squeezing a ball of it in your hand. If water comes out between your fingers, it’s too wet. In that case, add more dry comp. Once you have a firm ball, granulate it through a ten mesh screen and let dry. If your comp. is too wet, you will only get a smear on the screen.
I used tubes that had a 2-inch inside dimension (ID), and that were 3" long. I epoxied plywood to one end. Then filled the tubes 3/4 full of the smoke comp. and lightly pressed it down. Then I epoxied plywood to the top, and made a ?-inch hole in the plywood, stuck a fuse in and put a slurry of meal powder around the hole to keep the comp. from falling out and to hold the fuse in. A wad of tissue paper would work just as well. The composition does not require any prime to ignite, just a fuse. For best results, ignite these in sunlight. This formulation burns so cold that you can burn it in a paper cup and only after the smoke stops, does the cup start burning. The dye stains everything it touches, so be careful. You might want to use latex gloves and wear clothes you don’t care about. Orange GoJo hand cleaner gets the dye off your hands nicely.
Edited by Ghost_Walker, 28 November 2005 - 08:35 PM.
Posted 29 November 2005 - 05:24 PM
The reason you cannot have the two smoke compositions together, is that HC-type smokes usually contains metals which raise the burning temperature of the composition. The HC composition will be way too hot for the dye to survive if they bur together.
The red smoke composition I used is called pihko red. Its formula is as follows:
Potassium Chlorate - 24
Lactose - 16
Rhodamine B - 40
Sodium Bicarbonate - 4
Dextrin - 2
Posted 29 November 2005 - 06:41 PM
Posted 29 November 2005 - 07:46 PM
What do you mean by 'Tactical Smoke'? I hope we're not aiding you with a psycho one-man army rampage!
He could just be using it in an amatuer film you know
Posted 30 November 2005 - 05:10 PM
as for the amatuer film thing though...i am making a website for the stuff i built with a flash/video intro using my devices so the smoke might be in there
might i also inquire as to where you got your die....i cant find it anywhere...i only find huge chemical suppliers or paint pigment
and i dont think i could use HC smoke in paintball....way too toxic
Edited by Ghost_Walker, 30 November 2005 - 06:35 PM.
Posted 30 November 2005 - 08:47 PM
I got my dye from a chemicals supplier. It was expensive, but I had the money at the time. I do not have large amounts, only a few hundred grams of each. I have a few different ones.
For paintball, HC smoke will be the only smoke that will do a good job. You will need to do some experimenting on burnrates and stuff though.
Posted 30 November 2005 - 08:54 PM
I know it sounds 'kewwwwl' but it does a pretty good job. Better than KNO3 + Sugar in my opinion.
Posted 30 November 2005 - 09:02 PM
http://gamekeeper.de...rookbommen.html There you can get videos of different smoke devices (yes, I KNOW THAT THERE IS ALOT OF other s**tty stuff too on the site, but the smoke vidoes do a great job to show what composition behaves in what way)
with best regards,
P.S: Unfortunately, the smoke given off by KNO3/S/C is toxic and irritant. It is the best smoke I?ve seen after HC smoke.
My first very own firework pictures are online!!!
Posted 01 December 2005 - 10:51 AM
I've been meaning to for some time now, but never got round to it. I may try the "Rook compositie #3" from the page Paul linked to - are there any special instructions for preparing the composition?
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