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#16 icarus

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 04:36 PM

Thanks everybody  who has answered this post . I can  see its going to be a massive challenge. Its way beyond what I could manage but thanks to the expertise within the society It is possible

.Will it become an official first ukps uk site   or will it be a challenge undertaken by a group of enthusiasts who are mainly ukps members ??

Legality is going to have to be of utmost importance alongside safety , no one has said it yet but if we make a mistake at this stage we damage not just the integrity of the hobby (and possibly the ukps) but we would also lose the possibility of ever undertaking legal hobby research in the uk.

I seldom post  as it is my personal opinion that some subjects should not have technical detail available to an un-vetted world wide audience .

I also  have an interest in rocket motors that would bias the project towards their production so it will be good to have other people with different  interests. 

ie who is gong to build a visco machine?- it would be really interesting to research the effects of different compounds in a fuse.

I hope to see accurate documentation of the amateur work we are able to do available to all using the area

doing the work in a wells shed that is back in use would be amazing! it would be a great way to store them and keep them safe until we ever find a better home for them.            


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 05:17 PM

the straw walls are nearly up but i need to find better corner posts to support the roof trusses on the straw bale shed - telegraph poles come to mind I could also use a couple as gate posts. the concrete small box for the electrics to go in  is up  but quite badly built  it needs a wooden door on then i can  request electric company run cable from pole and choose a metering company its all paid for and the transformer is sitting on the pole ready to go with npan number meanwhile there is a 5kva  diesel genny available for electric when required . social meetings  might be a good start 


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 06:25 PM

Thanks everybody  who has answered this post . I can  see its going to be a massive challenge. Its way beyond what I could manage but thanks to the expertise within the society It is possible

.Will it become an official first ukps uk site   or will it be a challenge undertaken by a group of enthusiasts who are mainly ukps members ??

Legality is going to have to be of utmost importance alongside safety , no one has said it yet but if we make a mistake at this stage we damage not just the integrity of the hobby (and possibly the ukps) but we would also lose the possibility of ever undertaking legal hobby research in the uk.

I seldom post  as it is my personal opinion that some subjects should not have technical detail available to an un-vetted world wide audience .

I also  have an interest in rocket motors that would bias the project towards their production so it will be good to have other people with different  interests. 

ie who is gong to build a visco machine?- it would be really interesting to research the effects of different compounds in a fuse.

I hope to see accurate documentation of the amateur work we are able to do available to all using the area

doing the work in a wells shed that is back in use would be amazing! it would be a great way to store them and keep them safe until we ever find a better home for them.            

 

For documentation, don't forget this...

 

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Posted 26 September 2015 - 09:34 PM

How are things progressing any news?


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Posted 28 September 2015 - 09:41 PM

I will open a new thread on the subject of a society facility - it would be unreasonable and unfair to Steve Icarus to suggest that his proposal should be open to all, he may have a different view but speaking as someone who allowed idiots on site (no-one in the society so don't hit the complain or panic button) I have to say that an open door is not always a good idea.

 

Some time back I was charitable with our facility, the result was that people without knowledge, experience or respect caused me to regret it. They resurfaced as "experts" afterwards having learn't nothing and at least one is now on the brink of closure which doesn't bring any satisfaction to me. What I would say is that there is a real need for a PROPERLY manages and supervised facility for true research. Without it this society and the numerous good and deserving members will have to take up another hobby. I will post my proposal in the general area.



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Posted 30 September 2015 - 08:37 PM

the 100g rule does limit what can be done in one  useful way in that only probably 2 people would be able to undertake practical work at the same time . cctv alarm video would also inhibit unwanted activities . the facility would be available to known competent amateurs( I can personally vouch for at least 15 or so) . It  should offer a safe alternative to the garage or shed close to houses in a town or village  that many members are limited to  . Changing to a commercial license would be a real possibility if there were sufficient interest.

 

It would be good to have some social meetings once the 5th is out of the way

 

is there anyone else out there within traveling distance who has not posted yet ??????


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Posted 30 September 2015 - 08:45 PM

Just another thought about this--------

 

 

  WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SHARE THE COST AND OWNERSHIP OF A COMMERCIAL LICENSED SITE HERE IN LEICESTERSHIRE??????


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Posted 05 October 2015 - 05:41 PM

just seen your post. im sure a lot of members would be interested but haven't seen the post, since all the new laws members come here less often but each time hoping something may be on the change.

 

maybe you could post what sort of cost we are talking about. iv always wanted to start a commercial site. iv always felt there must be a market in making products that are hard to get in the uk. but then iv seen so many people that have had the money, knowledge and power but still decided one way or another they could not go through with it.

 

pm your ideas and costs if you want to keep it off a public forum.   



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Posted 05 October 2015 - 07:15 PM

whilst I think this is the way to go, to allow a number of members access to a suitable licenced site

 I think the practicalities of it will mean only members near the site in question will actually use it.

 

I don't know what the membership spread is over the uk, but I am sure you get my drift

 

location, with the best will in the world will not suite every member, but may suite a small minority depending where they reside

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 07:22 PM

If there is one factory site it will have to satisfy people! There are members from Far Cornwall to Scotland and Kent. Until every member has 500m radius of their own land then it's likely that most will not have enough safety distance for a factory.


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#26 icarus

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 10:55 AM

Its true that whoever is closest benefits most  so we need more than 1 site in uk . At the moment we have none . I do not know how commercially viable the site would be   spectrum sums it up  perfectly - i quote

 

"What I would say is that there is a real need for a PROPERLY managed and supervised facility for true research. Without it this society and the numerous good and deserving members will have to take up another hobby. ."

 

I  can supply a suitable location . My reward for this would be a superb facility on my doorstep  with reasonable running costs .

 

When you come to paste 200 labels on and punch out 100cardboard discs you suddenly realise  that commercial pyrotechnics is hard work and can be just as mundane as a factory production line job

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 Spectrum and exat have the technical knowledge we need  And have made offers of help

 

What we need now is a commercial wizard to advise the best way to proceed securing any funds donated towards this  so that no one can run away with the cash and members liability is safely legally limited and worst case if we cant do it everyone gets any  and all of the money back they put in etc ....

limited company???  co operative ???  and a keen project leader /co ordinator to get this going

 

Please post offering your services for this rewarding position below!!!!!

 

 Also ----- until we get further with the commercial side does anyone want to attend small local social midland pyro meet ups???? do post below 


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Posted 11 October 2015 - 07:47 PM

it will be very hard but iv said it before and will say it again the firework industry is screaming for Strange and unusual shells 6" to 16". Nobody is importing yung feng anymore which leaves spanish and italian but as much as the colours  and timings are perfect they are quite boring when you think you pay £60 - £90 for a 6" shell. yung feng are famous for great shells like wave the swimming and wave to 3 timed crackles lasting 8 sec.

 

there is a great market for 6" to 16" special shells because there is so much rubbish out there. we currently pay £120 for a 12" willow shell which is still expensive and 4 times this year we have been requested for 16" shells but can't get them anymore. Salutes have also been a pain (1 supplier lots of failures, the other don't do them due to problems getting BP. all because we live on a isolated island. 

 

but there are so many problems with the UK law it's not surprising it's putting businesses off investing into firework manufacturing. 

 

after bonfire season id be up for a pyro meet.



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Posted 11 October 2015 - 08:52 PM

brilliant -an idea for a profitable product if we take the commercial route,  There are probably  quite a few more that will exchange by pm to keep them available. It will be low volume specialist to order products that make the money- if there is any out there.The amateur rocket enthusiasts pay a high price for their rocket motors????.I dont envisage good returns initially. The fast food industry probably offers simpler higher returns on invested capital. but a share in a research pyro facility would be much more rewarding


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Posted 11 October 2015 - 09:52 PM

that's the good thing about big items. less products to make but high profits. why try make a full case of 3" shells when 1 large shell would be less work. as spectrum said you wont be having to make 100's of lift cups and discs and god know what else which dont sound fun. i know so many people that want to get 16" shell back into uk and not the crappy old ones. the problem in this country is you need to fill a whole container just to make it possible to ship from china. some companies hide 1.1 inside 1.3 shipments just to get it in the uk. thats how hard it is to ship 1.1 



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Posted 17 October 2015 - 09:52 PM

for some reason this post keeps disappearing into the oblivion where no one can see t without searching . The 5th looms ever closer so everyone will be too busy until after then . Hopefully after bonfire night we can start to plan  amateur or commercilal? size? cost ? who wants to help??  social meet up ?? skype tele conference ?? best way forward ?? social barbecue and charcoal make .with a bonfire, food  and a spontaneous display later  might be a  good start  ???


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