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[RichardEvans]

Sounds like love....

Just kidding!

Heh heh it is

Well some of the great names have gone to pot in my opinion, Black Cat which I loved as a kid, Standard who they own of course. Brothers no longer are doing 1.3G... Kimbolton I believe has also gone over, Panda which had some good mediam barrages... I do like the firework emporium, well some of its stuff, mainly the cheaper 30 pound or less barrages. So yes I can't help it, there are some fantastic 1.4G barrages out there but still, flashpowder to me is what makes fireworks.

Maybe Epic will become the new Standard, doubt it as its really for non-CAT 4 displayers (hopefully I will be setting up a CAT 3 display business within the next year) and just hardcore firework fans.

Here is hoping 1.3G is not banned all together, in this country with its bubble wrap society, the nanny state nothing is certain. I personally say we should ban idiots, not objects.

[chimp]

actualy i think you will find your wrong

Don't be too hastey to judge - I'm a considerably closer to this topic than you would presume.

Obtaining registration and storing fireworks at home in the 'old days' of 1.4 was one matter; times are changing and so is the view towards 1.3G fireworks, my friend.

[screwball]

Don't be too hastey to judge - I'm a considerably closer to this topic than you would presume.

Obtaining registration and storing fireworks at home in the 'old days' of 1.4 was one matter; times are changing and so is the view towards 1.3G fireworks, my friend.

i know they are however they havnt yet and by next year there will be more pyromesh items out either way makes no odds for my storage as i have more land and storage to play with than a lot of shops have

[RichardEvans]

Don't be too hastey to judge - I'm a considerably closer to this topic than you would presume.

Obtaining registration and storing fireworks at home in the 'old days' of 1.4 was one matter; times are changing and so is the view towards 1.3G fireworks, my friend.

Yeah and my local fire station is all too happy to give me a license for 1.3G items so no.

They just want to know where its stored, stored correctly, and your details pretty much.

Views and opinions of 1.3G are not that bad, they have just toughed the regulations but luckily it looks like they are pretty satisfied now, which is great

Actually the fire departments across England encourage talking to them/ working with them over any type of firework. They were incredibly friendly. Epic told me themselves that they have quite a few fire departments purchasing from them . The fire departments and pretty much all the regulators are in essance just against the idiots who use fireworks destructively or for harassment. Other than that I think storage and 1.3G is pretty well done now.

[Spyrotechnics]

they have just toughed the regulations but luckily it looks like they are pretty satisfied now

what regulations have been toughened??

[RichardEvans]

what regulations have been toughened??

Well it's not that recent but the whole storage rules of 1.3G I was referring to and their sales.

[Spyrotechnics]

I wasn't aware of any change to the regulations regarding the storage or the sale of 1.3G???

[chimp]

Nor I - please do explain......

[David]

I think all he is saying is that some fireworks, now they are classed as 1.3G, are subject to tougher regulations.

One of the misconceptions perhaps is that 1.3G is a "new" category brought in for fireworks.

[screwball]

id go along with davids guess myself .....


it can or is quite confusing to most people now theres "2 kinds of fireworks" for want of a better term then again it doesnt help when the BBC keep referring to "industrial fireworks" either in every single report they do

[Spyrotechnics]

could be simpler if there was just one "rating" of fireworks that the general public could have access to

[RichardEvans]

1.3G is just 5% or above flash powder per tube/mine/fountain/wheel/shell

However storing them is stricter than storing say a 1.4G firework.

1.4, 1.3 can be found up and down the scale of Cat's

CAT 4 of course is for professionals only, even though they don't seem to know what a professional is! Get your act together Trading Standards!

CAT 3 now is split between CAT 3 1.4 and 1.3. Specialist company's which can afford to not sell on mass/produce their own can keep selling 1.3G with the tougher regulations now. However others, like Brothers and Men Shun, are now 1.4G for lower costs which means distribution is much easier.

Just one rating is not good enough.

Cat 2 fireworks which is a 5 meter distance is much different to a CAT 3 firework 1.3 or 1.4. Cat 3 are much more powerful and dangerous than Cat 2.

The CAT system is really there to make people understand the net weight of true dynamite. For example Epic's awaken contains a NET weight of 2KG of explosives. While it weighs 10KG.

Thus its too powerful to be CAT 2, and has more than 5% flash powder thus its a CAT 3 1.3G firework.

I like these regulations, they do work and they help people identify how dangerous the firework potentially is.

However I am a true supporter of the fact a national recognized test should be put in place for the purchase of CAT 4 fireworks instead of company discretion which can largely vary.

Edited by RichardEvans, 20 November 2008 - 05:31 PM.

[Spyrotechnics]

you missed the point I was making - one Rating (as in 1.4G) would be simpler

[chimp]

1.3G is just 5% or above flash powder per tube/mine/fountain/wheel/shell

It's not just the flash percentage that determines the firework's hazard division, the total weight of pyrotechnic composition per tube is equally as relevent - greater than 25g means the product defaults to 1.3G. (Also, flash does not play a part in fountains and wheels - except in very specific applications where a report effect is involved).

As I have already said, 1.3G is a whole different ball game and not one to be taken flippantly. The fundamental essence of recent regulatory changes is to steer the industry towards importing, storing and supplying 1.4G fireworks - Joe public routinely storing and firing 1.3G is not the general intention.

[RichardEvans]

It's not just the flash percentage that determines the firework's hazard division, the total weight of pyrotechnic composition per tube is equally as relevant - greater than 25g means the product defaults to 1.3G. (Also, flash does not play a part in fountains and wheels - except in very specific applications where a report effect is involved).

As I have already said, 1.3G is a whole different ball game and not one to be taken flippantly. The fundamental essence of recent regulatory changes is to steer the industry towards importing, storing and supplying 1.4G fireworks - Joe public routinely storing and firing 1.3G is not the general intention.

Problem in that, majority of 1.4G barrages are awful. There I said it, used to love Men Shun, used to... 1.4 is dull and incredibly water washed, well from what I have seen, apart from the pyromesh stuff which is just 1.3G with a bit of cover. Wonderful loophole!

And anyway, it really is not. They just wanted 1.3G stored better. they are not trying to get rid of 1.3G, just making sure it is respected with correct regulations in force.

The government have no issue with people owning anything, if you have ever thought public saftey was something they were concerned about, think again. Its always cost. 1.3G being stored incorrectly or used inncorrectly causes loads of paperwork, complaints, injuries and even large scale fires/explosions aka paperwork and loads of costs. The new regulations should reduce this. The funny thing, well I find it quite funny is that 1.4G is just as dangerous, I personally feel the whole firework regulations do work but require much more attention. For example rockets are more dangerous than ariel shells, yet its reverse wise in what you can and cant buy as public. It's absolutely crazy isant it

Oh and if the government were really concerned for peoples saftey and didnt want "Joe" causing issues, they would ban or heavily regulate sparklers as they cause the most injuries, oh and garden fireworks, honestly they are the biggest nuisance in the industry! You could ban the whole CAT 3 and the same amount of injuries would happen every year. Its tragically funny in some respect as some seem to have this idea its the more powerful stuff thats doing it, nope.

Edited by RichardEvans, 20 November 2008 - 08:30 PM.